tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post6354128629902531171..comments2015-03-02T09:54:13.745-08:00Comments on A Neighborhood of Infinity: The Angel Problem has been Solved! (Maybe)Dan Piponihttps://plus.google.com/107913314994758123748noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-90921695104200943532007-06-21T01:37:00.000-07:002007-06-21T01:37:00.000-07:00These comments have been invaluable to me as is th...These comments have been invaluable to me as is this whole site. I thank you for your comment.Annerosehttp://www.gesundheitshersteller.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-61623970310597253642007-06-03T10:56:00.000-07:002007-06-03T10:56:00.000-07:00"Can someone fill in the argument for me?"I've sen..."Can someone fill in the argument for me?"<BR/><BR/>I've sent you an email doing so. If anyone else wants one, just ask.Markhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15136271212481081698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-52256550103959176382007-06-03T10:54:00.000-07:002007-06-03T10:54:00.000-07:00"How can the Angel ever win, if his only goal in w..."How can the Angel ever win, if his only goal in winning is to continue forever?"<BR/><BR/>It can be shown (albeit not entirely trivially) that if the devil can stop the angel from moving <I>forever</I>, then the devil can trap the angel inside of some huge square around the center. The devil wins when he can trap the angel. The angel wins when he can't.Markhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15136271212481081698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-33326789506929081012007-05-25T15:56:00.000-07:002007-05-25T15:56:00.000-07:00Anonymous,That's a good question! The game ends wh...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>That's a good question! The game ends when the Angel can prove that she can always evade capture. She doesn't have to actually go through the motions of escaping forever :-)sigfpehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08096190433222340957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-76220263860574820032007-05-25T15:13:00.000-07:002007-05-25T15:13:00.000-07:00How can the Angel ever win, if his only goal in wi...How can the Angel ever win, if his only goal in winning is to continue forever? YOu never win if the game never ends :-DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-44884729488577342942007-05-21T10:22:00.000-07:002007-05-21T10:22:00.000-07:00Máthé writes early in his paper that...Máthé writes early in his paper that if the angel can go arbitrarily far, it must have an infinite strategy by taking “a suitable limit” of the strategies. Since the players have uncountably many strategies, I'm not sure this is true. Can someone fill in the argument for me?George Sichermanhttp://www.monmouth.com/~colonel/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-15878310340799683212007-03-23T20:00:00.000-07:002007-03-23T20:00:00.000-07:00I was being a bit deliberatively provocative in my...I was being a bit deliberatively provocative in my comment as well.<BR/><BR/>Of course, just because something isn't too surprising when you think about it doesn't mean that it's not hard or interesting to prove. The Jordan curve theorem is also unsurprising when you think about it, but makes essential use of some fundamental facts in real analysis. But there's also a good chance that I'm misinterpreting the brief summary of the actual mathematical content that I've seen.<BR/><BR/>I just think that they tend to oversell it with the title they've given the result.Kennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09588770173317316837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-19255385425412748332007-03-22T11:59:00.000-07:002007-03-22T11:59:00.000-07:00Wow, I spent a lot of time thinking about the ange...Wow, I spent a lot of time thinking about the angel problem back in college! It will be fun to read these papers.pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-92154156586815606402007-03-22T10:11:00.000-07:002007-03-22T10:11:00.000-07:00A far more important theorem has been disproved :-...A far more important theorem has been disproved :-) <BR/><BR/>Let's wait and see what the professionals have to say about it : http://arxiv.org/abs/math.NT/0703367alpheccarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14645433315403867431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-37693185543183938112007-03-22T09:25:00.000-07:002007-03-22T09:25:00.000-07:00Kenny,Of course I was being delberately provocativ...Kenny,<BR/><BR/>Of course I was being delberately provocative in my one phrase summary of the Conway-Kochen result, as that is more likely to provoke people to read and think about it.<BR/><BR/>> It just states that if experimenters don't behave deterministically, then at least some particles don't either - which really seems quite unsurprising when you think about it<BR/><BR/>The thing that is "quite unsurprising when you think about it" surely isn't the same thing as what the Conway-Kochen theorem proves because the thing that is "quite unsurprising when you think about it" wouldn't essentially require results from quantum mechanics in its proof.sigfpehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08096190433222340957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295132.post-82823342057846653392007-03-21T23:37:00.000-07:002007-03-21T23:37:00.000-07:00That "free will theorem" stuff really bothers me -...That "free will theorem" stuff really bothers me - the result was about determinism, not free will (unless you define free will to be a purely theoretical term, rather than the ordinary term that people care about). It just states that if experimenters don't behave deterministically, then at least some particles don't either - which really seems quite unsurprising when you think about it. It's only when you equate indeterminism and free will that it sounds surprising (and philosophically interesting). But this question of what relation free will has to determinism is perhaps the central question in the philosophical literature on free will - and while many people argue that free will implies indeterminism and many deny it, I don't think anyone claims that indeterminism implies free will (in the sense that people care about it).<BR/><BR/>Saying that this theorem means that electrons have free will is almost like saying that the discovery of the T quark was the culmination of the search for Truth.Kennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09588770173317316837noreply@blogger.com